I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. We never shun people who leave the church. They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. (I do love acapella singing, btw.). Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. ), and maybe even stand up and shout if the Lord really touches their heart, Sorry that you had a bad experience, but not all IFB churches are alike, and mine is great! History is clear there is no other denomination that has so loved and been faithful to Gods Word as has the Baptists. 5) shun folks that have left the church You said that I pulled that phrase out of context but then you went on to prove that it was in context. He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. mint, rue and all manner of herbs all agricultural products from the land. The rest of it is up to our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Although, many Protestants returned in part to a belief in the Bible as their authority for their faith and practice, not one of them EVER completely left all the doctrinal errors and false teachings of the apostate Roman Catholic church. Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. One of the best sources I have found concerning His nature, the Nature of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is at the following link: Gayle Erwin does a wonderful teaching on the nature of God. They believe that when the Book of Revelation was completed by the Apostle John about 90-95 AD, the Word of God was complete. But it seems bottom line the wealth & sacrifce of it to kingdom building remains the same. Share this: 2 Corinthians 9:6 Prosperity Giving Deception, 76. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. A church only has authority to set guidelines on dress as it is addressed in Scripture. The IFBs always point fingers at the Catholics, but the Baptist faith is loaded with the traditions of men, I guess its kind of hard to escape. The pastor's name is Kevin Draganac. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. We have the freedom to give as much as we like, without any compulsion. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. King James, Fundamental, Independent Baptist Resources. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) To hold to the secessionist position takes the authority away from the New Testament and places it in the hands of man. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. Just some thoughts. @greg Does Westboro Baptist in Topeka, Kansas (Thank God for 9/11, God hates fags, Thank God for dead soldiers) fall under the IFB category? Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. What does this have to do with our discussion? Jesus quoted the old testament. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. Memoirs of a Recovering Fundamentalist, 55. It is my conviction that it is not possible to trace an unbroken line of Baptist churches from Christ until today. I love the way David Hayword (aka The nakedpastor) explains some of the problem. We believe in salvation by grace through faith as described in Ephesians 2:8-9. 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. In 1663, Charles II, gave the colony a royal charter and it read: Our royal will and pleasure is, that no person within the said colony, at any time hereafter, shall be in any wise molested, punished disquieted, or called in question, for any differences of opinion in matters of religion, and do not actually disturb the civil peace of the said colony. HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist? But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! That will suffice. For example, G.L. The Presbyterians took over the job of persecution biblical believers and forbade Knolleys from preaching in parish churches. However, tithing has nothing to do with your Salvation You can tell right away that something doesnt sound right. He tells us all the time he can tell we are believers because we are different in how we treat him and others in our neighborhood. You may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with many of their doctrines and especially why they persecuted the Baptists and drove them from their colonies. The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). I suppose I should have asked a couple of questions first, to which group of The Church of Christ are you referring? That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. Follow us on Pinterest: The Anabaptists were mostly a God-fearing group of people. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. It was founded because some saved men believed the Bible and wanted to follow the New Testament example of what a true church should be. Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. 3. Greetings, I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. Biblical Mandate for BaptistDeception.com. An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. Protestants for centuries saw the Baptists as their enemies and murdered them by the thousands in the name of Protestantism. HWY 3 NW. Is this really what youre doing here? Fundamental Baptist use the name in its strictest sense as meaning holding to the fundamentals of the New Testament teachings without error. You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. Headquarters are in Grandville, Michigan. I humbly asked a question. That means every church service must provide a time for people to come to Christ. Every activity, every thing we do, needs to uplift King Jesus, and it must allow for winning precious people to our Lord. Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. There was a fine of 2000 pounds of tobacco for failure to have ones infant children baptized. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. Tithing preceded the NT and ended with the establishment of the New Covenant. However, let no one think little of the name of Baptist for it is the name that most has identified those individuals and churches who have uncompromisingly stood on the Word of God. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. . It originally applied through the 1700s to Lutherans, and Anglicans. He did not fail to share truth although He was not yet crucifiedso likewise I argue that since He said it should not have been left undoneHe meant what He says as He shared the fuller meaning I believe of the Laws. Tithing is not for God. 2 . @bob When the Roman Emperor declared Christianity the religion of Rome, he in mass converted hordes of pagans which made up the Empire. Today we are excited to announce Independent Baptist Churches. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. NOT ONE. In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE MODERNIST CHURCH Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. The first Baptist church on American soil was a direct result of the Puritan persecution of true New Testament believers. The Independent Fundamental Baptist church could be defined as a cult given the multiple definitions of a cult and the characteristics of the IFB. Will you join us? 451 Likes, 8 Comments - Spencer Smith (@spencersmith312) on Instagram: "I was saved at 18 at an independent, fundamental baptist church. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. Pedophiles hide in dark corners. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). We are not under law, but under grace. I can certainly forgive you. We must agree with John Smyth, the true New Testament church is founded on its belief and practice of the Scriptures, and not on any outward succession of a visible or invisible organization. Im trying to figure out if it was worse of me for not using scripture to answer your question, which btw is not a question that required scripture, or yanking a handful of verses completely out of context as you did. Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. Because Knolleys refused to baptize infants and preached against it he was banned from the colony by the famous Puritan governor Cotton Mather. 3) tell you what to wear (John the Baptist probably wouldnt be allowed in most IFB churches Actually what should have been first was the erroneous teaching that water baptism has anything at all to do with ones salvation, it does not! Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? He is not nearly as fundy as where I left from, and is learning. Cooper P. Abrams, III ALL RIGHTS RESERVED: This publication has been reprinted with permission from the author. He was a presbyter and former deacon in the Anglican church. I think I already addressed that point. Independent Church. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. Anyone not holding Episcopal ordination was forbade to hold services. In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. No words could console. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. I was able to better understand the New Testament. After Roger Williams stepped down, Thomas Olney took over as the pastor of the church in Rhode Island. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. @greg On the other hand, we are responsible for witnessing to people God brings our way. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Failure to pay the tax brought the wrath of the civil and church leaders and people were publicly beaten, placed in stocks, fined, imprisoned, and banished from the colony by the civil authorities under the direction of the Puritan church officials. 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. In his writings he appears ignorant of the practices of the Roman Church and never refers to church councils, creeds, traditions or even to the existence of a pope. Enter keyword. Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. Unfortunately, serious Bible study is in short supply these days. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. Not sure where to post this so lets try here. Find fundamental, conservative churches in your area. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. An Independent Baptist Church would not be apart of a national organization that would exercise authority over the local church. Any way dont want to lie on any church. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. But they should not be confused with Fundamental Baptists. 1. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Biblically neither Deacons or Trustees are a governing body, or a board, but titles of special appointed servants who serve at the will of the pastor and congregation. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. I am not in favor of tactics that play on peoples emotions so as to secure a visible result. You want to point out that you think that I have anger issues, but have a look at your comments, I dont see awhole lot of love dripping off of your comments either. As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. Further, they reject so-called scriptures of modern day so called prophets. I heard an absolutely beautiful message, very uplifting, of course no singing, (Btw I like acapella singing, no biblical reason for it though) also didnt talk about baptism that day. While I do agree that there are some things that tradition has failed on (i.e. There he became the pastor of the Puritan church. I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: I cannot know. If I wanted to wear a sponge bob costume while leading worship I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. Certainly we are not responsible for people we never have an opportunity to witness to. They left these churches because of their strong conviction the Word of God should not be compromised. Overview of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination, A Brief Survey Of Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches: What They are and What is Their History. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Lynne, Or second, you could be referring to those who held to Baptist beliefs and were called by the name Baptist. Lack of pastoral accountability is not the problem. p.s. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) Thus, history and the doctrines of Protestantism clearly show that Baptists are not Protestants. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. Greg, I find it difficult sometimes to keep Gods sovereignty and my responsibility in balance. 7) divorce as the unpardonable sin you can be forgiven if you kill someone, or if you have been saved from a homosexual lifestyle, but God help you if you have been divorced, they will still let you come to the meetings but you have to set on the back row. Nothing comforted. KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ This site is run by a Jack Hyles follower. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. The crime of these men was that they believed the Bible was Gods Truth, and rejected dictates of false churches and men. Hope this clears up some confusion. BTW, my Church of Christ neighbor and I were good friends, and looked out for each other. Again Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. He is much better at it than we are. Independent churches have no organized organization over them in authority. Individuals may also seek membership, and those who do are usually ministers, missionaries, Bible teachers, evangelists, editors of Christian periodicals, or students. Thank you for writing back. The Dutch colony of New York for a time persecuted Baptists within its territories. This church was not founded on a man, but on the Bible. I am currently working on a research paper in seminary. I know that as I give more to the Lord Im blessed more & even if not I want to. The Revolutionary War for some time slowed the growth of Baptist churches. Since there is no membership at CCs, the congregation neither votes a pastor in, nor can vote their pastor out, if necessary, unlike a Baptist church. Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Tithing preceded the OT Law. He preserved His word and the Word preserved a true Gospel witness during every moment of history since Pentecost. However, history does not record even one Anabaptist group or church becoming or founding a Baptist church. 77. To only teach from the New Testament and ignoring the old is not using the whole Word of God. Filter Churches. Thanks for your response. The faulty logic here comes from not paying attention to the Scripture. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. But anyway he says that if those folks go to Hell, that their blood would be on your hands. By 1626, the churches had grown from one, to five churches and by 1644 there were forty congregations. Furthermore I believe it involved religion. His resources are free from this sight. Such as The Church of Christ? It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. Hope that last wasnt too much personal info. Also, when only what we do for Christ will last would include contributing to kingdom endeavors. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. If you think women ought to wear pants, thats your prerogative. Faithful Word Baptist Church is a young, family-integrated church. These five distinctive beliefs separate the true Baptists from other groups who have mistakenly taken the name Baptist and all non New Testament churches such as the Protestants. Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. He did not belong to, nor was part of the any ekklesia. Yes he baptized, but His baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matt. That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. I do dislike what seems to be human effort in trying to do what only the Spirit of God can do through a clear presentation of the word of God. I have heard people argue that a certain type of dress is more attractive to the world, or woman wearing dresses sets them apart as being different. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. No one I have ever talked to or debated can show me that money is ever to be considered a tithe. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. I made a very similar forgiveness plea on facebook just yesterday, asking all to forgive me if I had ever legalistically stepped on them. 4. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. In examining many so-called early Baptist churches you find many doctrinal errors and false teaching. Protestants have never accepted the principle of separation of church and state. Lynne, Thats kind of like being an American and never knowing enough about the nations beginnings to be able to make an intelligent decision about whether some politician is leading us away from freedom. I attend an Independent Baptist church and Ill answer your questions They many have been called by various names, before assemblies used the name Baptist. A prime example of the dangers of belonging to a convention is seen in the apostate Southern Baptist Convention. Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. Founded in June of 1980, International Baptist Missions is a ministry of Tri-City Baptist Church. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. There are no rules about what to give at all. Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. If your church does teach the following then watch out, you are probably in a manipulating extreme IFB church situation. After working for a few hours in our home, the Dish tech stopped working and looked at me asking, Am I correct in believing this is a Christian home I am working in? I said yes. He began by baptizing himself and then baptizing ten other members. As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. The Great Awakening stirred religious interests in the colonies and a reported great revival took place. The powertrip, which is all Ill call it, was even noticed to be among some of the laypersons who were ushers, or just people who knew people. A comprehensive Independent Baptist Church Directory listing over 8000 churches. In 1688 a Baptist church was organized at Pennepeck, Pennsylvania with twelve members. Fortunately my current pastor, though still somewhat legalistic, has studied and understands that tithing was for Jews under the old covenant/law, Im just hoping he keeps studying about some other issues, but you know all of us are learning and growing (hopefully). When people ask me what church I am a member of, I always tell them the Heavenly Church, wherever and whoever that is. My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it.
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