So does any of this mean theres something wrong with the P320? Theres a couple of possibilities. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. Still waiting. It may be a rotten trigger, but it does highlight the fact it has a much lighter trigger compared to classic semi-autos and revolvers. LEO handguns get into struggles, they get laid and rolled on, they get smacked into vehicles/doorways, they get dropped, they get drawn and holstered way more often than their civilian counterparts. Ditto; that's what i was getting at earlier Bear007 Custom Aug 25, 2021 #18 That a shirt tail or jacket cinch cord slips into a holster. In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! I have no idea. These officers are not gunfighters. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. Dont care for them, not my jam. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. Fine. I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. But breaking news here, skippy. But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. The heads up testing was immediately finished the Sig was the winner. Posts: 21156 | Registered: November 05, 2003. Either one could have been a gun or a Barbie. Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what. Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. But this time, the sound bites used were different. My trust for Sig stopped after they produced the beloved Sig556xi Russian. Many gun makers have had issues with drop firing, unintended discharge, bad safeties This is a resource I compiled of semi-auto pistols that have been recalled or Upgraded for Safety related problems like Drop Firing, Safeties that Malfunction, Risk of Accidental Discharge, etc. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. Fair enough. In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. "It has a clear capacity to fire without the trigger being pulled under certain conditions," said Hilton's lawyer, Jeffrey Bagnell. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. But SIG Sauer said it has rectified the issue with upgrades, including one made for the U.S. military which court documents, filed as part of one of the lawsuits, show resulted in substantial changes to the weapons internal design. Instead we see a Sig that is ran by Mr. Cohen of Kimber fame have repeated quality and product development failures. D. 35446 Views 56 Replies 41 Participants Last post by tirod, Sep 1, 2021. A fine of up to $10,000. They wouldnt have adopted it if was. Yaaay! Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. Cops are crap with guns, unlike me, a REAL pistolero! I just separate Shatner the man from Kirk the character, which he plays with Shakespearian operatic perfection. A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. Funny how that works. And they would not have done that for no reason at all. You have entered an incorrect email address! Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. The real tell is that of all the cases, most are cops of some kind. If it were a lowered tier manufacturer like a Taurus having allegations made against them, people would run with it without thinking twice. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. LOL! Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. That focus drifts. Sig Sauer P220 Super Match. With the redesign, you would have to implement a LOT of force to move the trigger backwards. I carry one in my front pocket routinely. BTW it was HK that made the first polymer gun, Glock actually stole the idea for the G17 from them. https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan Once word of that got out there was an avalanche of sexual harassment lawsuits against Fox news. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. But it also has much worse quality control on the parts in my experience owning and working on both. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. Everyone remember the video of the DEA agent shooting himself while explaining that he was highly qualified to carry a gun? A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. Zero in the affirmative. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. The cost of settlements will be passed on to us. First I have no problem with the Mk 25 or any other Sig thats metal. It has nothing to do with Glock. Hes like the arrogant star QB on your favorite football teamyeah, you would never want to spend a weekend with him at the lake cabin, but your franchise would be little to nothing without him. Upgrades are for things that didnt work right in the first place. You arent a gunfighter, either. Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. He wanted to see how accurate the gun was, especially after the customer got it back after the voluntary upgrade. And thats just my opinion. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. Use a proper holster and follow other gun safety protocols. Have heard of no issues like the alleged gremlin caused spontaneous discharges of the P320 in other Sig models. The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. Nope. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. There was no holster involved. Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. Bagnell is representing a number of the police officers who have filed suits against SIG for un-commanded discharges, but wouldnt disclose the exact number. The Hide Armory. TAMPA, Fla., July 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A 30-year veteran law enforcement officer with the Tampa Police Department (TPD) today filed a lawsuit against Sig Sauer, Inc., the maker of his. The new Tauruses have a good rep, far better then the P320 or P365. He probably had a double until it was over. 2. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. Theres still the P938 extractors snapping they refuse to acknowledge. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. Search Texas Statutes. in Capitalvania. About $300. One, the energy necessary to lift the striker-securing safety plunger may be insufficient due to a too-weak spring, or a too-light plunger, or some other design flaw, to reliably engage the plunger where it belongs. With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there? Hey, Im sitting here staring at my P320, waiting for it to go bang! 3. Sig P320 is just one of many pistols with Safety related. The details are not out yet, but they use Glocks, and I will make a good bet that her trigger finger did the deed. SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. But it hardly indicts the P320 as a badly engineered weapon or that its worse than another brand. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. (c) If conduct constituting an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under another . OR some gorilla with more brawn than brains ignored the 40lb trigger pull they suddenly had to break the tab.
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